**Caution: Some comments may be disturbing to read, but we feel that to sugar-coat these comments would undermine the purpose of this site.

Name: Anonymous
City, State: Ypsilanti, MI
Date: 30 Jan 2000
Comments:

I was looking for information on GHB because of what a friend of mine went through at a nightclub in Pontiac, Michigan. It was her 27th birthday and we went to a nightclub. The first thing we did was buy some drinks. After that she said she was going to stay at the bar and talk to the bartender, so I left to dance with other friends. What happened after that is very confusing to all of us and she is still trying to piece together. What I remember is seeing her a maybe an hour later being carried out by bouncers. I had gone up to them to ask what had happened and they told me that they were kicking her out for sexual misconduct on the dance floor. At that point she was not with it, which we thought was alcohol poisoning. I then went to go get her coat so she wouldn't freeze in the 24 degree temperatures outside and when I got outside, not knowing I left by the wrong doors, I couldn't find her. I became very scared for her and mad at a nightclub for throwing a girl out alone in a bad city. When my friends and I went back inside it was closing time and we were given a hard time by the bouncers. We kept asking where they kicked her out and they would tell us that it was not there problem anymore and for us to get out. After awhile of this, one of our friends found her on the steps of one of the other entrances. When we got there she had a guy holding her arm talking to her and she was throwing up terribly. She also had a hard time opening up her eyes and walking. The guy friend that had found her and I then walk/ carried her to the Pontiac hospital only a block away. When we brought her in we heard a comment from one of the nurses that this was the fifth girl brought in that night from the nightclub we were at. Then all they did is "let her sober up", which never really happened before they told me to get my car and take her home. She was talking and throwing up, so I guess that was good enough for them. After that she spent an entire day on my couch and in my bathroom throwing up.

The next day when we talked, she was trying to piece together what happened. She remembers getting the first drinks and then the guy next to her asking where her friends had gone. She then turned around to look, turned back and remembered having to pull her drink back closer to her as if it were moved. After that she said she went to the techno room where there was a strobe light and that the light, after awhile, had started to "mess with her". After that she barely remembers anything. She was nauseous for three days after that and had no appetite to eat.

After reading some of these comments I realize that it most likely could have been the drug GHB. I wish that these nightclubs would pay more attention to what is going on in their establishments and in the future, not just kick out a girl, by herself, on the streets.

Name: "Jerry Bear"
Email: jerrybear75@hotmail.com 
City, State: El Paso, Texas
Date: 30 Jan 2000
Comments, and an opinion on legislation/control:

Greetings!
I have a great deal of interest and knowledge in psychopharmacology, and have been aware of this substance for a long time. I have considered it alarmingly dangerous right from the very beginning, when it was fully legal and freely available. Substances with this sort of pharmacological profile are typically dangerously toxic and highly addictive with dire withdrawal effects. An older example is the smelly solvent, paraldehyde, used to treat DT's in alcoholics. Though very useful for this purpose, if used as a drug of abuse it causes severe addiction in only two weeks. They are basically all barbiturate/alcohol analogues in terms of their properties. I have avoided it at all costs. I have no interest whatsoever in typical "illegal" drugs, most are illegal with good reason, but I am very interested in natural remedies such as herbs, vitamins, various nutritional supplements and natural compounds, so I naturally investigated GHB. Years ago, I occasionally tried expressing my reservations in Internet discussions, but was basically ignored. I now see that my worst fears have been surpassed by the actual experiences with this compound. I thought this would come to pass when I suddenly noticed the widespread use of butyrolactone as a common, everyday solvent. As soon as I realized what it was, I knew that it could be easily converted to GHB by dissolving in an aqueous alkaline solution. I wondered how long it would take before it became a major source of the stuff. It turns out that butyrolactone is itself probably even more potent a drug than GHB.

Now comes the real problem. Something MUST be done to deal with this menace, and that something is NOT to put it in the corrupt, incompetent hands of the DEA. Current legislation putting GHB and all analogs, isomers, derivatives etc. in the same category as, say, heroin is an absolute disaster. Huge numbers of industrial products contain these analogs as well as virtually all foods. In effect, these laws simply criminalize the entire population and their enforcement would paralyze industry. But the current hysteria is threatening to do just that. The eventual and inevitable result is that the courts will simply have to throw out all laws attempting to control the situation and overturn most convictions related to this problem. Unreason does not lead to any effective solution to anything, it just makes things work.

Effective legislation must be specifically tailored to the peculiarities of the special situation involving this compound and kept independent of any other legislation. Also, it should be dealt with by parties as unconnected as possible by the vested interests in the so-called, "War on Drugs". If we allow the DEA and their local equivalents to "handle" the situation, even if the most glaring absurdities of current laws are corrected, we can be sure that GHB abuse will become a serious ongoing social problem with doubtless lots more of our minorities locked up in prisons under harsh sentences and the deaths will continue. The "Drug Warriors" have made it very clear by their corrupt, dishonorable and self-serving actions that they are not about to put themselves out of business by actually solving the problem. Would you like to have your house and property confiscated and be thrown in prison for decades because you have a forgotten bottle of "acetone-free" nail polish in your home? Under the current California law, the police could do just that! Obviously, it wouldn't be held up by the courts, but for that very reason, such a law is no solution to the problem. Effective legislation should carefully separate the end user from the profiteer. My feeling is that if you are caught under circumstances suggesting personal GHB use, you should face mandatory treatment and reeducation. Anyone addicted to this compound who comes forth voluntarily for treatment should be free from threat of legal persecution. At any rate, simple possession or use on a personal level should not be more than a misdemeanor.

The situation escalates dramatically if the drug is administered secretly or under misleading circumstances to another person, especially for "date rape". This should be punished as harshly as possible (including life without parole or death penalty if this results in the death of the victim). Likewise, trafficking in this product for profit should be dealt with as severely as peddling heroin or cocaine.

The law should also ignore non-drug use of related compounds. Mere possession of butyrolactone as an obvious solvent should not be regarded as a crime. It is when it is sold or modified for ingestion as a drug that it should be treated as a violation of law. Butyrolactone has such outstanding environmental safety features that it should not be discontinued simply because somebody might get high off of it. I believe though, that with a little experimentation, say a strategically placed methyl group or something, that an equally effective substitute could be found without the drug effects, and this could be gradually phased in. What is needed is a standard of reason, is the possession of butyrolactone or 1,4 butanediol such that it appears related to drug use, or does it appear to be related to normal industrial use? If the later, this must not be penalized or prohibited. Do you want to be arrested because you are wearing a polyester shirt whose fabric was made with butanediol? Under current legislation, you could be. This is madness, and the courts will most assuredly soon see it that way.

Although law enforcement can help curtail some of the worst excesses of commercial trafficking, what is really needed is a serious educational effort against this drug. All the solvents that glue-sniffers use are still perfectly legal for legitimate use, but relatively few people indulge because of the general awareness of the gross hazards (even worse than with GHB) and the very negative, low-class image of solvent abuse. Even the typical heroin junkie or skid-row alcoholic would be insulted at being called a "glue-sniffer". A similar image needs to be created for GHB. Finally, effective treatment must be made available (and highly publicized) for addicts to this compound and its analogs.

The withdrawal effects from this drug are at least as dire as those from full-fledged alcoholism (the famous DT's or Delirium Tremens) or barbiturates, and like them carry a high risk of death if done without adequate medical treatment. (As a standard of comparison, a severe alcoholic faces about a 30% risk of death from the DT's if he withdraws without treatment.) The resulting dramatic stories would make wonderful publicity; statements from authorities that "such-and-such is bad for you" carry little weight. Dramatic personal testimonials from those who have faced addiction or lost loved ones to this awful drug are much more convincing; they have the ring of real-life experience to them. I also think that the promoters of GHB should be denounced publicly and confronted directly by those who have been harmed by this stuff. It is easy to discount the words of some other academic expert but very hard to disregard the grief-stricken face of a mother who has lost her child to GHB or a man who ended up ruining his life and destroying his health from an addiction that he was led into by the false pronouncements of the promoters of this drug. I would like to see some of these "experts" tell THESE people just how wonderfully "harmless" and "wholesome" GHB really is! I hope the readers of this realize that it is up to the people to do something about this and not leave it up to the ineffectual and fumbling hands of the authorities. Find out all the information you can. Find others to talk about it to. When GHB hits your community, be ready to move the situation out into the media and get everybody thinking about it. With respect to this mysterious, weird, seductive, and all too often deadly substance, ignorance is NOT bliss and silence is NOT golden!

Yours Thoughtfully,

A Voice Crying For Reason In The Desert

JerryBear

Name: Anonymous
City, State: Orlando, FL
Date: 29 Jan 2000
Comments:

Don't get me wrong, G is a drug with plenty of medical benefits [writer's opinion]. HOWEVER.. it is not for us to take in order to party or to self medicate. It is a very complex and deceiving drug. I have been using G to party for about a year now. It has been a long scary road for me and my friends. (however we all still use it) Everyone of my friends in my crew have come close to death because of that drug. I guess if you take the drug, with the correct dosage, it is SUPPOSED to be okay..but the fact is we don't fully know what it actually does in the long run. The problem with the drug, when you use it to party, is that you WILL screw up the dosage at least once (probably more). The flip side to that, is that a screw up can cause death. Anyone who parties with it almost always drinks (not to mention other drugs), which when combined with g, as you all know, is horrible.

The past month I thought I finally figured it out! Never again would I overdose..until tonight. I drank A LITTLE and had ONE cap to many. I puked everywhere and almost passed out at a bar. Right now I am writing this at 5:00 am trying to let the [stuff] get out of my system before I sleep.

If you try to incorporate this drug into your social life without side effects (ex. passing out in a club) you probably will fail. I use G a lot.. and I still mess up here and there. It is sad to say, however I know people how are probably going to die from that drug. (god forbid)

Here is the deal, all drugs are very bad. Coke an take over your life. G is definitely to dangerous to be taking on a regular basis. X causes many problems. I now have a decent anxiety disorder, and went through some depression thanks to the wonderful drug X. Not to mention the problems I will have in the future, which many doctors think is a very big possibility. Many of the reasons I use g, is because of the severe panic attacks I get...which pretty much started after using x about every three weeks for about 7 months. (which is not that much compared to a lot of my fellow crackheads out there.)

Whatever... this is just my spin on it. Take it or leave it. I know I used to be a big G pusher, spouting off claims saying its " the best drug ever...no come down!!" Its far far from it. Don't get into it. You will most likely will mess up and it could cost you your life. Not to mention your car..(I wrecked mine while messed up on scope. pretty pathetic). ohh well it all in the past now. My prayers go out to all the parents and friends who lost people because of g.

Be careful with this drug, it can be harsh. Also be smart about other drugs to. They're all bad. They all de-value life, even though some, at the time, make you think better about your life.

enough from me.
-later

Name: Anonymous
City, State: Ohio
Date: 26 Jan 2000
Comments:

Thank you for having such wonderful information on this page. last night one of my very best friends almost overdosed on GHB. I have never been so scared in my whole. I didn't know what GHB was and the effects that it could have on the body. Luckily we got her to the hospital in time and today she is still alive, possibly kicked out of college and definitely in trouble with her parents, but still alive. Thank you

Name: D. Brisco
City, State: Corpus Christi ,TX
Date: 24 Jan 2000
Comments:

I used GHB with one of my friends in Houston when I lived there. We used to smoke weed every day all day.....we used to drink beer all the time too. One day this friend, Bob told me a little about GHB. His comments were just drink one beer, this capfull (of GHB) and we'll be TRASHED!! So I downed the nasty tasting capful of liquid and washed it down with a beer. After we rolled a joint and began to smoke it I became very, very slow. I tried to climb a tree in his front yard like we normally do while smoking a joint and instead of snapping up the thing like a squirrel, I couldn't hardly lift my arms. When I did get a hold of the tree I scratched my arms to death trying to climb it. Finally I gave up and we started to laugh. I will admit when the drug started to peak out I was scared of what would happen next. It was kind of like being really drunk, half tripping and very stupid. I was going to brew up my own batch and try to sell some...until I read your sight....no joke! There are several stories on here that changed my mind about the substance GHB. I too felt that at times I could pass out and smash my face somewhere but I didn't,....by the grace of a higher power. I will never take GHB or let my friends do it in front of me. There is too little known about the drug to just be taking it all the time. One experiment was enough for me....I'm GLAD that my story didn't turn out like these people I read about. Sure these stories could all be fake just to scare the public....MY STORY IS REAL!!!! I was LUCKY! My advise is if you want to try GHB, drink about 4 shots hard liquor. There you go...that's what it makes you feel like, NO [kidding].

Name: Sara
City, State: Eugene, Oregon
Date: 24 Jan 2000
Comments:

My brother died of accidental GHB overdose in September. We had no knowledge that such a substance existed and because he lived alone, he went undiscovered for two days. It is horrible to think that so many people die from this substance! He was taking RENEWTRIENT. You can easily access their WEB page and this is how he ordered it. Have you seen this webpage? They make some very elaborate claims as to what this substance can do to HELP you. Naturally, it never mentions that it also can KILL you!!!!!!!! Angry about it? YES, I am. Will it bring my brother back? No. My only wish is that by someone reading this information, they will think twice before they try it. My brother was a loving brother and uncle. My children, my mother, and the rest of our family miss him every day. He was successful and young. He was kind to everyone. His death was unnecessary. May someone else's death be prevented so that Troy's was not in vain.

Name: anonymous
City, State: St. Louis, Mo
Date: 21 Jan 2000
Comments:

I am a 21 year old female very involved in the club scene in StL. I go to the clubs on a weekly basis and enjoy x all the time. The drug scene here is unbelievable. X and K are commonly used and now G is up and coming rapidly. My friend and 4 others decided to get G'ed out one night at the club and all overdosed. This has not stopped the others and even some of them. I am scared for them and have no clue how to help them. I pray every night in the hopes that God can somehow come to them and save them before it is too late. Unfortunately for one it has already been. I sit there and watch, baby-sit, and just hope that something changes. But until then at least I got to read this and see them before I even thought of doing this. The devil is an understatement. This is a disease that no one even discusses and informs about. I can only say thank you for your help to me and to the others I will share this with.

Name: anonymous
City, State: New York
Date: 21 Jan 2000
Comments:

My boyfriend and I have been using GHB everyday for about a year now. We have had no bad experiences with it so far. Up until lately, we have both been getting really shaky and having trouble sleeping. This symptoms only came after we slowed down our intake. At the present time, we are working on a home detox for ourselves and our sanity. With school starting in 3 days, we don't know if it is going to be possible. If anyone has any information about what we are going to experience, please write back on this web site. This is our first week with a computer and we don't have an e-mail address. If you have never tried GHB, and are thinking about it, think it through and do some research. When didn't think it would be so hard or have such a dramatic effect on our lives. Not being able to sleep, violent shakes, and cold sweats are not fun at all. Use severe caution and be responsible....

Sincerely,
Mr. & Mrs. "G"

Name: B
City, State: Chino, California
Date: 21 Jan 2000
Comments:

I am a mother of a daughter who on her 19th birthday (jan. 19th) took some of this drug with four other young adults. We had no idea what was happening until one of the adults that didn't take it told us they had taken drugs, a clear liquid. I am a nurse so we closely watched each one of them. It was a night from Hell and a birthday none of us will forget!

Name: Undisclosed
Date: 20 Jan 2000
Comments:

I am 26 years old and just had my first experience with GHB. I took only a capful of the GHB with a friend of mine and we both woke up in the hospital with tubes in our noses and arms. The police told me that they found us both in the car stopped in the middle of the road. We had puked all over ourselves. The doctors told me that I was so close to dying that they had to put me on a ventilator to assist me in breathing. I just want to let all of those people out there who think this stuff is so wonderful to wake up. It can and will kill you.

Concerned in Florida

 

Name: J Garcia
City, State: Humble, Texas
Date: 19 Jan 2000
Comments:

I just picked my 18 yr. old niece up at the hospital. She barely survived a GHB overdose. She was comatose at one stage and we're lucky she's still alive. We need to get this information on the media. Until today I had heard little about GHB except that it can be used as a muscle builder. People need to know that it's killing our kids, and we need to let kids know that it can kill them. I am beginning a campaign today to help get this stuff off the streets in hopes that my next visit to the hospital won't be to identify a body.  Thank You.

Name: single mom
City, State: California
Date: 19 Jan 2000
Comments:

My husband and I thought GHB was harmless fun, a drug without side effects. After about three years on and off of GHB, we didn't see much danger in it as long as we planned on staying home for the evening. Everything changed two months ago when I woke in the morning to find him dead. He leaves behind a 10 year old daughter, and a three month old son, and a wife who must carry on without his help. If only we had known it was so dangerous.

Name:
City, State: Dallas, Texas
Date: 11 Jan 2000
Comments:

My daughter, age 33, died from using GHB on either Jan. 1 or 2, 2000. She left behind a 7 year old son and a 5 year old daughter. According to the person who was with her, she passed out 3 times and came back. The 4th time he put her to bed. She was dead in the morning. We are not even sure that it was not put in her drink at first or how much. Her husband of 10 days filed on her estate
two days after her death. It is an unbelievably bad situation.

Name: grieving sister in Dallas
Date: 11 Jan 2000
Comments:

I just buried my 33-year-old sister, mother of two, on January 5, 2000..........I cannot even begin to put into words the pain that her death has caused our family.........she was with her "husband" a described G-head, who simply put her to bed after she passed out "4-5 times"......"I woke up in the morning and she was already cold"......sense a little bit of anger here?.........yes, it is there along with the hope and plea that anyone that knows of or is taking GHB seriously reconsider what they are doing......you don't know what you will get with this stuff.....as a friend put it, "it is Russian roulette" ...I have never experienced such pain as I have this past week and hope someone reads this and takes it to heart......

Name: Anonymous
City, State: Phoenix , AZ
Date: 10 Jan 2000
Comments:

I was physically addicted to GHB a few months ago. This business about it not being addictive is nonsense. I went through shakes, tremors, nights of insomnia and cold sweats. It took about 5 days to even begin to feel normal. My skin felt like it was being pricked by needles. Horrible.

Name: Mark Saunders
Email: MSaunders@dynamicbodies.com
City, State: Tucson,AZ
Date: 10 Jan 2000
Comments:

I am a bodybuilder and have been addicted to "scoop" for over 5 years using daily. I am currently in an outpatient treatment facility in Tucson AZ. I went 30 days clean and just this past Friday I had a relapse. Thanks to a great friend I recovered without hurting myself or anyone else. The scoop I was using was revitalize plus. Fortunately my friend emptied the bottle down the drain because I don't think I would have. My goal is to recover from this addiction and when I am better to help others. What is popular here in Tucson has been the capsules called Renutrient and now what is being sold a lot of is Rest-ezz. I am a personal trainer and it is being sold at the gym where I train at as a substitute for alcohol. I've seen where how some people seem to handle it in moderation and others become addicted. I am the latter. Thank you for putting up this web site it is very helpful. I am going to show some of this to the counselors at In Balance in Tucson AZ due to they really don't know much about it. They are asking ME the addict for info on these GHB related products. It appears to be a growing epidemic here in Tucson and a lot of really great people are getting sucked in.

Name: Anonymous
City, State: Miami, FL
Date: 10 Jan 2000
Comments:

My friend suffered from an overdose, and I had to be the one to receive the phone call at 4 00 in the morning. I had never even heard of GHB. Thank you so much for posting such an informative site on such an important, relevant issue.

Name: Jessica
City, State: Sacramento, CA
Date: 07 Jan 2000
Comments:

I am a 19 year old college student that is not dumb to the drug scene. I frequently attend raves and have done certain drugs (Ecstasy) on more than one occasion. I am very grateful to this site because if I had not found it I may have made a HUGE mistake. Tonight my friends and I were going to do "G". I have never done it before and many of my friends said that there were no bad effects, was I wrong! After reading many of the comments on this page I am scared to even be around anyone on this Horrible drug. I THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart because if it wasn't for this site I may have experienced something I would never want to go through. 

Name: Anonymous
City, State: Providence, RI
Date: 07 Jan 2000
Comments:

I was thinking about trying GHB with my friends....we decided to look for some info to see what it was before we tried... your site was the first to come up in yahoo.... I will never try it...thanks for saving me and all my friends... great work...

Name: Old skool raver
City, State: Leeds, England
Date: 06 Jan 2000
Comments:

My condolences to everyone who has lost loved ones to drugs of any description. In the UK GHB is called 'liquid E' and is used as an ecstasy alternative. The effects are similar if used in the correct dosage. However, people are ignorant to the way this drug should be used/abused and this seems to be the cause of most of the troubles expressed on this page. I think that awareness should be raised as a pose to the drug banned. I am an ecstasy user myself and have encountered 'bad pills' before so I would appreciate a legal alternative. However, based on my experiences (including one of my friends being hospitalized), GHB is not it.

Name: Randy
email: zonerongabong@aol.com
City, State: aurora, Colorado
Date: 04 Jan 2000
Comments:

GHB is deadly!....
I bet once you find out what GHB is made of, You will never drink it again! Although the process to make GHB is Neutralizing the base' and acids' forming a salt (GHB tastes like salt or urine). Just think, if the precursors do not mix, boiled, purify these chemicals right...or do not neutralize the solution, you could be drinking acid, lye, or unpurified GHB which can be very dangerous if not deadly! so next time you Take some GHB..think of how it is made, You will think twice.
lil chemy,
RaJ

Name: Anonymous
City, State: Birmingham / Al
Date: 03 Jan 2000
Comments:

I did GHB once.. I was at a night club and I was asked to try it by some friends they said it would make you feel good. Well, I did a cap full and got a buzz off of it, well the next week I did some research on it and found out how dangerous it was. I haven't done it since and neither have my friends.

Name:
Email: Berg_dude@hotmail.com
City, State: Utah
Date: 03 Jan 2000
Comments:

3 days ago I had never heard of GHB, Now my brother a 44 yr old father of 4 is in the local psych ward. He has been having full blown hallucinations for almost 6 days. And is showing no signs of improvement. From everything I have read so far the drug should have been out of his system relatively quick, But it doesn't sound like anyone really knows what to expect from this drug. Apparently he has been taking it for almost a yr. Taking 4 or 5 doses a day.

I don't know what to expect, And I don't know what to do. He has been off the drug for 6 days and is still completely out of control. He may have also mixed with anti depressants. If anyone is familiar with this combo, Or even what to expect please e-mail me.

I only wish I would have known about this drug and his use of it 2 weeks ago. My thoughts are with any of you having to deal with a situation like this. This stuff is poison!!

Name: Anonymous
City, State: B'ham, Al
Date: 03 Jan 2000
Comments:

I originally started using this drug for muscle building, sleep enhancement, and the euphoric feeling that it gives you. I find myself four years later not being able to function with out it. I am married and it does cause serious trouble in a relationship with ones that you love. I am seeking help now, and I hope it works!!!! I WOULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN ANYTHING I THOUGHT THAT THERE WOULD BE A CHANCE THAT I COULD BECOME ADDICTED TO, BUT FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS THIS DRUG HAS ALMOST RUINED MY LIFE!!!!! Don't let it ruin yours.

Name: Anonymous
City, State: not entered
Date: 02 Jan 2000
Comments:

I am an ER doc in Southern CA- I saw 3 OD's from GHB last night (new years eve 1999) - one almost died. All were admitted to the ICU overnight. Its really depressing to see all these kids out to have a good time almost dying.