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TEARS ON A KEYBOARD, A GHB ADDICTION BEATEN, by Mick Hart - Submitted February 27, 2001

City, State: Thomasville, Georgia
Date: February 22, 2001

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As an RN in mental health, I have been seeing more and more GHB related admissions. I found your website as I was researching GHB, as there is almost no medical literature on the subject. I can't tell you the number of young adults that I have seen come in actively hallucinating after ingesting an unknown quantity of "scoop" as most of them call GHB. The sad part is that with all of our antipsychotic drugs available, these young people haven't truly "cleared up". They wander around as if in a daze for days--after partying, etc... Thank you for getting some information out. GHB is NOT illegal in Georgia, and we desperately need some legislature. Thanks again.

City, State: San Diego, CA
Date: February 19, 2001

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I went out for a couple drinks with a girlfriend of mine. Initially we sat at the bar but moved to a pool table where we could get away from a talkative guy (who claimed he was from chicago) that was sitting next to us. He followed us to the table and asked if he could tag along. We didn't have the heart to say "no" said we said sure. During our game my friend headed for the bar to get a couple more drinks. This "guy" stopped her and offered to get the drinks. He brought them over to us her a beer and I a mixed drink. Never in my worst nightmare did I dream what was to happen next. My drink had been laced with GHB! If my girlfriend hadn't been there to take me home, I would probably be dead. I have complete amnesia. The last thing I remember was taking a couple gulps of my drink. My friend filled in the gruesome details that included helping my staggering body to the car only 15 minutes after ingesting, carrying me into the house, watching me vomit, urinate in my clothes, falling into the bathtub (pulling the shower curtain & rod with me), she was finally able to put me to bed, apparently convulsing and gurgling and stayed with me until I fell asleep and all night. (We discussed it later and I should have been taken to the hospital) When I woke up the next morning, she asked me if I'd remembered what happened the night before. I was puzzled because, I have complete amnesia. If I hadn't seen the pictures on the walls all crooked from where my limp body fell into them and the shower curtain & rod in the tub I wouldn't have believed it. When I told her of my complete amnesia and how that I never get that drunk she began to suspect GHB. She had heard about it from a SD Court case and recalled how it was used. But it wasn't until I found this web site that her suspicions were confirmed. What could this moron been thinking? What is happening to us? I will never trust another man again. I am not young (39) and stupid, but I was completely unaware that this could happen to me. Even though I was aware of the dangers of someone "drugging" a drink, It didn't occur to me at that moment. I've read here that some people actually 'elect' to take this drug. ARE YOU CRAZY? I will never go out again and I will never accept a drink from anyone, anywhere. If responsible bar owners would install and use surveillance camera's we could go back and catch these murderers.

City, State: new orleans la
Date: February 18, 2001

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GHB is a horrible drug!! Please stay away from it. Last summer I dated a guy who got me to try drugs. I was always against them, but I had just gotten out of a long relationship and was really depressed. This guy got me drinking bottles of Robotussin, taking 6 pills of Exstasy a night and worst of all he got me to try G. He had been taking G for 2 years. He told me it was good for me and I believed it. This guy would wake up take a few caps and all day long take it non stop. When he didn't have it he could not, eat he stayed locked in his room alone, and had serious withdrawals. I didn't realize how much I was taking it either. After I stopped seeing this guy he got caught with G buy his parents, he went in rehab 3 times. Also I was still taking it all of the time. One night I was at a friends house and we were all taking G getting messed up. Well I had grown a pretty big tolerance to the drug and after about 10 caps I felt nothing. After a few more caps I passed out. I started puking in my sleep and could not breathe. I don't remember going to the hospital, I don't remember throwing up. I felt the effects in my body for 6 days after and lost 10 pounds. I am lucky to be alive today.

City State: Covington, La
Date: February 15, 2001

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Ok yall we just called the Louisiana poison control center and she told us (I swear) that it is like taking a big valium and that you cannot overdose on it and that it does not cause tremors or headaches! This is bs. Where can we find someone who knows what they are talking about?

City, State: Charleston SC
Date: February 13, 2001

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Don't let anyone tell you that GHB is like a Vicodan. We were told that it would be a nice way to "wind down" after the evening festivities. Thank goodness we had some to literally carry us to our car and get us home. It was a very close call for ending up in the ER. People need to know everything about this drug so that the less than ethical people can't get away with lying about its effects. There is nothing in this world worse than being conscious but unable to communicate to say yea or nea for a ambulance. Perhaps there should be a required drug education class at some point in a young person's life

City, State: plant city, fl
Date: February 13, 2001

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I would just like to tell you that I know just what those families are going through who have lost a loved one to GHB. the man I now realize was my soul mate also died from this evil drug. his name was Louis James lime. he was my companion and the only "daddy" my son has ever known. his death has left a gigantic hole in both me and my son's hearts and lives. I just wanted to plead with anyone that reads this to spread the word that this drug isn't a pleasure, it is a cold, heartless murderer. sincerely Cindy Barrett

City, State: Hartford, MI
Date: February 11, 2001

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Your approach is sensible and serious, yet unhysterical. I'm an MD who was given GHB as part of a well-designed, randomized & double-blinded University study and want to comment that, in appropriate dosage, and with NO synergistic drugs such as alcohol on board, the drug is safe and seemingly effective for specific medical conditions (on which I won't elaborate). Again, congratulations on your reasoned approach.

City, State: Pennsylvania
Date: February 09, 2001

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Thank you for this excellent forum, Anya and Ken. Heaven help you cope with the loss of your son, Caleb; as well as the many others who have lost their loved ones through the deception of “natural products” (although these are really synthetic, petroleum products that are toxic to our bodies).

Now age 47, I learned about GHB 3 years ago. It was at the Cape Canaveral Post Office, where the founder of RenewTrient (Carl Gorton) and I met...This was months before RenewTrient hit the market. I had never heard of GHB, and Carl arranged to have lunch with me to discuss this wonderful "natural body compound" that "is more valuable than everything on the health food store shelves".

A smoker, Carl said I should take a half shot of the new precursor, RenewTrient, every time I wanted a cigarette. During those times I drank beer and wine, but wanted to quit. The RenewTrient slowly became my preferred method of relaxation. I always had avoided pharmaceutical drugs and even aspirin, but the RenewTrient was touted as something that could cure everything.

The GHB precursors were helpful in the beginning. During a painful divorce RenewTrient helped me relax. I also had chiropractic problems, which were alleviated and I didn't catch colds or flu. I took RenewTrient and other similar products over the past 3 years until I noticed many negative side effects.

Maybe if I had taken the products for sleep, I wouldn’t have encountered problems. On Carl’s advice, I took them day and night for a few years. Yes, there were times I took too much and passed out. My husband was even worse. Cigarette burns everywhere, and worries of burning the house down! The real problems occurred at Thanksgiving over a year ago when I realized I HAD to take more GBL to feel “normal” and my turtleneck sweater was driving me crazy! The elastic was very irritating to my system, plus eating made me go into severe withdrawal pangs.

Here is what I've determined about GBL and its precursors through my own folly: 1) Whatever "defects" in your family history's health - especially related to glandular - the GHB-related products can make the problem worse. 2) All GHB-related products are made from petroleum-based compounds, and they are especially foreign and toxic. Perhaps if there were a plant-based GBL product, the effects would not be so toxic. 3) When I encountered severe withdrawal symptoms from the GBL products, I took small amounts of the BD (Butanediol) every 45 minutes to "wean off" of the horrible stuff. I believe this could be very helpful for physicians who don't know how to slowly alleviate the symptoms of withdrawal. Within 2 days, I had the dose down to small amounts and I could easily quit. However, many times I started the whole addiction process again and again.

My problems with the GHB-precursors may be helpful to others. I had breast implants from 1985 to 1995, when I had them removed due to very poor health. The implants were also of the petroleum products, so I'm very allergic to synthetic fabrics, etc, rubbing on my skin.. Petroleum is bad for you. I also cannot wear any metal jewelry.

Additionally, my mother had surgery around my age for thyroid problems. Even though I've quit the GHB-related products for over 2 months, my thyroid glands are swollen. I've gained weight, and my face is puffy. For the longest time, the GHB-products proved to be toxic to my system. I have scars from huge pimples around my upper thighs, my tongue has a weird coating in the back, a huge lump developed in my throat when I took the products, and the "necklace" feeling still plagues me nearly every day. I am seeking thyroid treatment, and hope it helps!

I wonder how many of you have felt the "necklace"? Or the "halo"? You feel like your head is in a vice grip.

It took several months for me to feel somewhat normal after quitting the GHB products. Sleep? Forget it. I now sleep 4 hours per night. During the RenewTrient days, I'd take the product all day, take more for sleep, but wake up in 2 hours our less. It was good sleep, but I had to take more RenewTrient in the morning so my nerves wouldn't keep me from functioning. Before GHB products, I slept fine, and had plenty of energy.

Since quitting, I've had many involuntary ticks and jerks in my hands. I used to be a graphic artist. Now sometimes I have trouble holding a glass of water to my lips without shaking. Forget drawing!

Bottom line: If you want better sleep, try catnip tea, or other mild herbs. Melatonin can also be helpful. NEVER mix GHB products with ANY alcohol or drug. Mixing ANYTHING with the GHB products will most likely be dangerous, or deadly. A good “High” does not have to send you to the hospital. LIFE IS WORTH LIVING!!!

Right now all you beautiful young people feel like you will live forever… Just when you begin to learn what life is all about in your mid-40’s – When you should be planning retirement after a happy, productive life, You don’t want to subject yourself to living like a zombie. Trust me…. PLEASE DO NOT THROW YOUR FUTURE AWAY! I am so sorry that the GHB products hurt so many people. I blame Carl, who started selling the GBL products for not telling me about the potential downside. I especially blame myself for this zombie state that is the result.

Please relish your health and energy! Appreciate the beauty and exhilaration of life!

PS – Yes, GHB makes you horny, but you can’t do anything about it. For some reason, it wastes all your best thoughts and energies and leaves you unfulfilled – it takes your lifeblood.

Before you allow yourself to be subjected to any substance, take a long moment to think and reflect on how wonderful life is with no “crutches”. Say “NO”. Otherwise, you may find yourself a captive to something evil. True liberty is being free of the demons within. Please enjoy the beauty and promise that surrounds you. You will not regret it. You don’t need ANYTHING ELSE. Don’t get caught up in anything that can hurt you… Been there; done that! Mary rxdetoc@hotmail.com

City, State: Philadelphia, pa
Date: February 08, 2001

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hello my name is adam and I had my first and last experience with "G" last night I am 20 and I am from the Philadelphia suburbs. I would like to say to all those out there like me who smoke pot and think they can do any drug recreationally and not pay any consequences well its not true I found that out last night when a friend of mine wrecked my truck cuz she was high off "G" I had taken I guess what was to much and I was very sick and couldn't even get up off the ground I was laying in the cold on a street in one of the worst Philly neighborhoods thank god there were only minor injuries to all involved and the only thing that was destroyed was cars. But people could have been hurt people could have died and for that I am sorry. I am sorry for all the people that do die from this drug and all those injured and hurt while I can only warn people now of the dangers of this drug I hope web pages and advertisements like this one keep popping up so people like me can have all the information before they do something stupid like I did last night Adam from Philly

City, State: Florida
Date: February 08, 2001

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I was addicted to this liquid hell for about a year and a half. This was a year ago. I was wondering if anyone knows if there are any long term side affects that I might have. My email is egypt1717@aol

City, State: Savannah GA
Date: February 06, 2001

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When I first found your site a year ago I was disgusted with it because I felt it was propaganda from the FDA and drug companies designed to scare people away from their competition. I had been aware of GHB for 5 years at the time and had believed that GHB was super safe and had no lethal dose or bad side effects. I wanted to believe that there was a holy grail of medicine. I had begun taking GHB/GBL in the summer of '99 on and off. I bought some GBL online and started taking it daily as a dietary supplement in Oct. ' 99. Over the next few months, I saw nothing but good effects from the substance and I would periodically stop taking it for a few days or a few weeks, just to test myself and make absolutely sure that it was not addictive. I had no side effects at all. Great sleep, great sex, lost weight, improved energy. Then, all of a sudden, after a 2 week break at the end of Jan. 2000, and 4 days of resumed use, I skipped a day and had a very weird reaction 48 hours later. I returned from stage hand work at a concert and felt unusually energetic and manic for 3 AM. Over the next few hours my heart rate elevated to 150 and stayed there for 2 hours, then slowly returned to normal. I got very scared. My mind was racing and my vision seemed hyper intense. Colors were vibrant and sexual fantasies seemed super real. I was scared until I started to hallucinate slightly, and then I thought "Oh, someone, somehow dosed me with a little LSD at the rock concert" I felt irritated but relieved that I knew what was going on and that I just had to ride it out. I fell asleep at 9AM. I had thought about GHB/GBL being the culprit but talked myself out of it because my past experience was nothing like this at all. This event was at the beginning of Feb. 2000. I continued to take GHB/GBL with no further side effects for another 4 months. In retrospect I see that it began to affect me but I didn't notice it. I could cry on cue and get very emotional about things. I would feel manic and invincible, having bursts of creativity, and then I would feel down. Also, my libido shut down and I had no interest in girls or dating. This I believe is because of the high level of serotonin that GHB causes, much like Prozac. In mid May, friend saw me preparing my dose of 3/4 teaspoons of GBL to go to sleep, along with another 3/4 teaspoons to take when I awoke after 3.5-4 hours to put me back under til daybreak. He said "Wo man! what are you doing? Your taking a [----load] of that stuff. That's way more than me!" This friend had been taking it along with me for the same time period and I had verbally confirmed we were taking the same dosage and the same frequency, just to be safe. Apparently he did not know the difference between 1/8 tsp and 1/4 tsp and had been inaccurate about his frequency. Right then, I decided to take a break, and I had the scariest, most eye-opening 72 hours of 26 years. The reaction was the same as the one in February, but longer and stronger. I could not sleep at all nor could I shut up. My friends took it in shifts keeping me company and watching me, at my request. I was horrified that GHB/GBL could do this to me. I thought that maybe I had been sold heroin or something else, because GHB could not do this, right? Wrong! GHB affects the dopaminergic systems in the brain and science does not understand fully what it does or how it does it. The fact that it is already in your body and in many foods, does not make taking huge concentrations advisable. God made our bodies quiet well and it is a bad idea to mess with them too much. Since then, I have experimented with doses of 1/8 tsp and less, only to find that I have been permanently sensitized to GHB, and experience the same kind of reaction, only less severe, when I have tested myself. I hope my story forewarns others about the unpredictability of GHB and GBL. If your young, you don't need to boost your growth hormone level and don't think that this stuff is harmless. I am now disgusted with the rabidly pro-GHB sites that recklessly promote the lie that GHB and GBL are only good for you and in fact advisable to take. I am done with the stuff for good having educated myself in the school of hard knocks. I don't know what kind of long term health risks I may have acquired, but I will have to face them as they arise. Get the word out- CR

City, State: Manhattan Beach, CA
Date: February 05, 2001

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I have known about GHB for about 2 years and I always knew it was bad news, but never really had a terrible experience with it. I tried it and liked it, but I stopped because once it made me sick and I had heard horror stories. I stopped doing it.

It is a year later and I haven't really thought about "g" until this week. I got a new roommate who is really into the drug. She doesn't like to drink and models so is always trying to loose weight so it is perfect for her. When she mentioned it I warned her of all the horror stories, but she replied,

"That won't happen to me, I am careful. I know how to measure it."

She acted annoyed that I even was concerned. Then, one night we were partying and she took a legal supplement called Theranol, which is the same thing as GHB. She started moaning and having seizures, she took all of her clothes off and flipped around on the floor like a dead fish. Her friend just laughed and said "this is nothing. She does this every weekend". I was horrified. When she came out of it, I told her how bad she was and she replied "that's because it wasn't my g. It was theranol and I didn't know how to measure it". She didn't even care when I told her how scary the experience was, she just acted like a smart ass. I thought she would be careful from then on. Only 5 days later, she did it again, off something called "liquid re-nutrient". She threw up all over my bed, her clothes and our apartment, and if it wasn't for me she would have choked. She sat next to the toilet dry heaving for 3 hours. When she snapped out of it her response was the same, it wasn't her g so she didn't know how to measure it. She again acted like a smart ass. She also told me she would continue to use it regardless that she almost died. Maybe she doesn't believe it because she doesn't remember. I have no idea.

Why don't these people learn?

And why aren't theranol and Renewtrient taken off the market? They are STRONGER than GHB.

When I typed in GHB to get this website, I also came across sites that tell you how to make it. That is heinous.

I live in Manhattan Beach, California, and I am moving after this experience. I know too many people here that are into this gruesome drug and I don't want to see any of my friends die. It isn't the only reason I am moving, but it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

City, State: NJ
Date: February 02, 2001

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I came to this web sight after recently experiencing GHB first hand. I came across it at a friend's house. His roommate had it and said it was great for body building. Before leaving for work he left us with a soda bottle half filled. I know it was a stupid decision, but my friend and I took a couple big gulps of the stuff. Needless to say I feel very lucky to be here now, especially since reading this sight. If you want to know what happened to me then you should click on "while you were sleeping". It was a very similar scenario. It has been a couple days and my body still feels horrible. I am completely traumatized by the experience. I'm scared to go to sleep and feel very nervous and a lot of anxiety. All this and I'm usually regarded as a tough guy. I feel very lucky to be breathing today. I hope more people learn about this drug. It's not marijuana, kids, this stuff will kill you. If it doesn't kill you right away physically, it will kill you emotionally. Trust me on that one.

City, State: Columbus, OH
Date: February 01, 2001

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Believe me when I say I'm not one to jump on the DARE bandwagon but this is really negative stuff. Every person I've known who has taken it has gotten horribly sick, sometimes the first time or definitely after just a few. My best friend's date either took some or was slipped some last Christmas eve. She had to watch him "g" out and convulse on the floor of the bar they were at. Since he had once been a dealer in that relatively small town, an onlooker thought it was funny and started kicking him. Fortunately for them both, she found someone to carry him to her car and he seemed to be ok the next day. This same friend had tried it a few times but quit after she mixed it with alcohol and ended up puking in the alley behind a bar and blacking out for the next 8 hours or so. Another friend was slipped some at a bar and wondered into the bathroom where her friends didn't find her until closing time despite having looked for her in there. She had thrown up all over herself and managed to wedge her body behind the toilet.

Believe the hype and stay away. People die from this stuff all the time.