**Caution: Some comments may be disturbing to read, but we feel that to sugar-coat these comments would undermine the purpose of this site.

Name: Mark Fratzke, MAC, CSAC
State: HI
Comments: Great presentation at this year's NAADAC the Association for Addiction Professionals' Annual Meeting in DC. It motivated me to check out your website and learn more about this nasty compound.

Thank you,

Mark Fratzke, MAC CSAC

President: Hawai'i Association of Addiction and Drug Abuse Counselors

 http://www.cchono.com/~fratzke

Tuesday, December 23, 2003
Name: Undisclosed
State: NY
Comments:
Ghb should be thought of as dangerous, not only for the fact that you can overdose but for the fact that if a person consumes too much and passes out, most likly there freinds will shrug it off and say he is just sleeping he will be fine. I have seen many people going into what they call a g hole. They couldn't control their muscle movements, you can see there eyes start to go up into their head. The sad part is that their freinds just hid them so the bouncers wouldn't see and kick him out. When you are unconcious and non responsive to anything, why would you take the chance of waiting and not getting the medical attention they need. Many times my freinds and I informed a bouncer because its better to be safe than sorry, or its better not to take it at all. Its funny because you have people that say speed ruined the club life, and its ok to take ghb because its safe. Yet people have woken up in hospitals with tubes down their chest not knowing where they were. Drugs itself ruin the club life. I don't care what anyone says, all drugs will eventually make things different. i have never tried g, but i have tried E and at first it was an awesome feeling, i was on top of the world, but over time of using, it was not the same, the headaches and withdrawal, and being depressed took out the whole purpose of why i went to the club, which was for the music. I soon after discovered speed and at first i was on top of the world all this energy and danced all night, but justlike any drug that you use, your tolerence is different and you dont get the same feelings. Thats what messes up the clubs. I have experimented over the years but you can't blame the clubs and the type of music because its people who need to do drugs to go to a club. I moved passed that, i enjoy myself much more now that i am in reality rather then fantasy, because all fairy tales will come to an end one way or another.

Saturday, December 20, 2003
Name: Undisclosed
State: CO
Comments:
I merely wanted to comment on the gender bias apparent in your information. All people who are raped are not women, although I realize that women are primarily the target of GHB/rapes and that your focus should be on them. My recent experience has shown me that men can also be targeted, and I could not help but notice that you do not seem to consider this possibility--albeit atypical. GHB, in the wrong hands, can be used to commit crimes beyond those typically associated with its usage (i.e., date rape.)Therefore, the potential for criminal behavior is only limited by the imagination of the potential GHB/rapist. Anyone who has undergone an involuntary GHB intoxication/rape may also discover a further problem when they attempt to report said crime since the law enforcement community is unwilling to pursue legal cases in which the victim's credibility is held in question--in this case, because of the effects of GHB on memory. Moreover, the law enforcement community can be extremely callous when rejecting a criminal case for this reason. Anyone who has had the misfortune of experiencing an involuntary GHB intoxication/rape may experience further trauma when they attempt to report said crime to law enforcement officers (i.e., police or sherrif's officers, etc.)It is also a sad commentary on the state of law enforcement.


NOTE FROM PROJECT GHB: We are well aware that drug-facilitated sexual assault and drug-facilitated robbery are committed against both females and males. We have posted a number of comments from male victims/survivors as well as female victims/survivors over the years. The response from law enforcement and even medical facilities isn't always what we would hope it would be, usually due to lack of training about drug assaults. Project GHB board members and our state team members are actively involved in training for law enforcement, parents, youth, teachers, the judicial system, medical personnel, etc. We hope that awareness/training will improve the comprehension of this drug and other drugs used to facilitate crimes and will improve the quality of response. This will hopefully result in prevention; more rapid reporting by victims; better testing protocols; improved investigative techniques;and thus higher prosecution rates and more convictions of those who are all too likely at this time to get away with their crimes!

Trinka